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this theater. to see all this unfold in my backyard where i spent a lot of my high school, middle school years. >> have you been to the movie theater? >> it was not there when i went there. that area, that mall is where we hung out on a very regular basis and that's the movie theater i would have used had i been there today. this is hard for my state who still remembers every bit of columbine, very strange situation. kind of in a fog. >> i can imagine. it's wonderful to have you here with your input and your personal experience. meanwhile we want to show you the man who police say is behind this horrific movie theater massacre in colorado where 12 people were killed, 58 wounded. >> that makes it the worst mass shooting in u.s. history with people shot. many still in the hospital this morning. in a few hours police will hurpb -- return to james holmes apartment to try to disable explosives and
chemical devices left there. >> mike, bring us up to date. >> good morning, gang. just 27 1/2 hours since the shooting. 30 people still hospitalized, 11 in critical condition. still not much is known as far as what would have motivated this horrific attack. answers could very well be concealed in that apartment just about four miles, a little less than four miles away from this location, but police are not in a hurry to get inside of that apartment because of that series of booby traps. mortar rounds, fire bombs, large containers containing an unidentified type of liquid. all of it apparently interconnected with a series of trip wires inside that apartment. police got a camera inside to get a look around. the police chief says he's never seen anything like it. >> it is a very vexing problem, how to enter that apartment safely. i personally have never seen anything like what the pictures show us is in
there. i see an awful lot of wires, trip wires, jars full of ammunition, jars full of liquid, some things that look like mortar rounds. we have a lot of challenge to get in there safely. >> the gunman was an honor student from a nice part of san diego, clean-cut, played soccer, excelled at science. people described him as shy or a lower than. we heard descriptions of him getting into role playing on the internet or fantasy games on the internet but nothing that would have indicated he would have gone off on such a horrific attack as this. four weapons he had purchased. an ar-15, shotgun and two glocks. all purchased legally and locally. background checks were performed. as far as we know of what his criminal record, the only thing that would have come up was a speeding ticket. police say he spent the last two months on the internet amassing an
arsenal, some 6,000 rounds for the ar-16, about 300 rounds for the shotgun. he had a drum-type magazine for the ar-15 capable of holding 100 rounds. he had extensive body armor complete with tpheg protection, leg protection and groin protection. yet when police arrived on the scene at the movie theater 90 seconds after they got the first call, he gave up without a fight. >> thanks for that breakdown. that is a very intense and active scene mike is standing in front of. when police period into the window, they saw -- when police peered into the window, they saw these strange contraptions. they say it could be hours, days before they're able to figure it out. >> mike is in front of the movie theater. people say there was large
music that started at midnight, perhaps techno music. the theory is he perhaps wanted people to walk into the apartment and be killed. the big question people are going to ask the next days and weeks is why. we have no "why" no motive here. no friends have come forward to this man, no facebook, no twitter, no on-line rants. that is what is so strange about a 24-year-old man who left no trace of anything. >> it is important to point out what we know. original points were 15 were killed. the latest, a respected nypd cop is doing a fantastic job. the latest update is 10 dead at the movie theater, 2 at the hospitals. 58 injured. 12 dead right now. >> sometimes in the media
we get so fixated with the gunman because we want to know why and want to know what drove a madman that sometimes we focus on that before the victims. but there are so many victim stories. one for every one of the 70 people who were shot. one of the most fascinating victim stories is a woman named jessica gowie, a young woman. what is so uncanny and crazy about her story is she had just narrowly avoided being in another mass shooting in june at a mall in toronto. she got a queasy feeling for no reason and left the mall and two minutes later there was a mass shooting where people were killed. >> she tweeted about that experience that there was someone in a batman costume outside of the shooting making strange rants. her family is outspoken. they want people to talk about her, remember her and not talk about the shooter.
they're saying let's talk about her. let's talk about all the people who were killed in the shooting. we don't know a whole lot. we know a six-year-old was among the victims. the pentagon has confirmed a u.s. sailor has not been accounted for; name has not been released. we do know a 27-year-old man on his birthday was also killed. alex sullivan. and we do know a woman who just returned from missionary work in haiti was among the victims. >> ms. gowie, she tweeted she was very excited about seeing that movie. she had to talk her boyfriend into going to the movie. another sad story. you mentioned alex sullivan, he was at the midnight screening on his birthday. amazing pictures of his father. we'll get to those in a little bit. we have some witness reactions. take a look at this. >> a little bit after we shot up to the lobby we
heard a loud explosions. we heard gunshots open up. >> saw a canister fly abg across the auditorium, thought it was some kind of prank and was preceded by a big flash in a thing, i assume that was maybe a fire work, someone trying to be funny, and then three shots which i realized this was gunfire. >> i saw a young girl on the left-hand side right in front of the theater, she had to be no more than 12, 13 years old it looked like. and she just had, like visibly she had two bullet wounds on her leg and blood completely covering her stomach. and i -- like we were all in shock. we didn't know what was going on. >> he came in and i thought he was a prop, you know what i mean? he threw some smoke grenade of some sort. i thought it was for pizzazz. when he shot the ceiling,
it was pandemonium, then chaos. he at that point, from the time frame he took it to the ceiling he had the gun in my fairs. i was freaked out -- in my face. i was freaked out for five second. i dove into the aisle. i curled into a ball. >> that young woman in particular has been very vocal. she was the one who he actually confronted at her head. somehow she survived. she's been doing a lot of talking as have they all. we're going to have doctors on throughout the show. everybody will suffer some p-t second degree after this -- some ptsd and trauma. even those not connected to it. you having lived there, all of us having reported it, this is a very intense and obviously a disturbing, shocking story for everyone. >> as we look at the motive, potential motive, you look tenor way shooting -- at the norway shooting, almost a year to the day ago. two days from now will be the anniversary of that.
the norway shooting, did that have anything to do with it? there are strange links to batman, a video game and comic we can tell you about later in the program and discuss with our guests, our doctors, might evidence some connection to the shooter? lots more in the next four hours. >> we have other headlines right now including this. there were scary moments at an arizona movie theater hours after that shooting rampage in colorado. several people seeing "the dark knight rises" say a guy was acting strangely, carrying a backpack and appearing to be intobgs -- intoxicated. panic ensued and people fled the theater. he is now facing charges of disorderly conduct. the two cousins in iowa missing for more than a week were abducted. the f.b.i. reclassifying the case.
the ten-year-old and eight-year-old vanished while riding their bikes near the lake. the reclassification of the case comes as a judge ordered that the father makes it to court hearings on two separate drug cases. he and his wife have both spent time in prison on drug charges. they also decided to stop cooperating with police about their missing daughter's case according to police. a new hearing scheduled for august 1 on how the g.s.a. had no shame in wasting our money. here's the latest evidence of wasteful spending. it spent more than $250,000 on an awards ceremony in 2010. those drumsticks cost taxpayers a whopping $20,000. john mica saying this
agency demonstrated a profound and unbelievable tendency to treat taxpayer dollars like monopoly money. this anal is i is in need of dramatic reform and the committee will explore those topics at the upcoming hearing. the g.s.a. hosted a lavish bash in 2010 costing taxpayers $800,000. first-class flights to hong kong will -- customers received quite a bargain. it is believed thousands of buyers took advantage of the deal but the airline won't say how many. united airline is only honoring the cheap tickets for customers who already started their trip. >> coming up, much more on the massacre in colorado. we'll talk to a pastor who was there. he helped bring people to safety as the chaos unfolded. he joins us next. [ male announcer ] summer is here.
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>> there are so many eyewitness accounts coming out of that colorado movie massacre and our next guest is a pastor and former military man. he tells how he helped with the chaotic scene and how he used prayer to help survivors. >> he joins us from aurora, colorado outside the theater. great to see you this morning, pastor. thank you for being with us. >> you're welcome. thank you for having me. >> we do want to hear how you helped many of those involved in the shooting, but first tell us what it was like. describe the scene as you were in an adjacent theater and began to realize what was happening. >> well, for us, we didn't, you know, obviously see the shooter. how it started for us is
we, you know, heard a lot of pops, you know consecutively. we felt some debris. some of us felt some debris hitting us. we now know some of the stuff was coming through the walls. it was a little difficult because we didn't see anything happening next door so we didn't know what it was. i thought it was fireworks. then when the fire alarm went off and we started exiting the building, it occurred to me we shouldn't go out the door immediately. if that was a gun, the guy could ambush us. some of us held back. some people found out it was a gunman. we went out a different exit. we saw the police coming in with shotguns. we were able to get outside and we saw the carnage that took place in theater 9. >> you were in theater 8 when this was happening. we should mention you're a pastor, also a former military man.
both of those vocations came into play after the aftermath. how did you start helping people who were injured? >> the first thing, you're outside and you take this breath. immediately i didn't make it probably 20 feet outside the theater and i saw a 22-year-old woman on the ground covered in blood. that's where the military sidekicks in and immediately started doing first aid and helping her. and then actually another military guy named ted, him and i helped get her over to the ambulance, and then we started helping other people that were carrying people over to the ambulance, coordinating the ambulances because they were farther away from the building so the ambulances weren't near the people, so we had to get the people to the ambulances. after that, after we got the people safe, the physical part, just getting them safe, that's when the spiritual side kicked in. and there was a group of us from our church and we started praying for people
and seeking out people that were really distraught and just needed prayer. >> pastor, we've talked about some of the victims this morning. a young aspiring sportscaster, a six-year-old kid, someone who just returned from missionary work in haiti. how do you use faith in dealing with a tragedy like this? >> well, during it, it's a little -- you hear the word surreal. it's happening. you don't even know the magnitude of it. when you hear the numbers now and the stories, and it's just a little overwhelming, just even hearing the police scanners, you guys play them, yesterday i broke down in tears because there was a portion in one of the cuts that you guys played i was actually standing near officers during that transaction and it queued up my senses. it is a little overwhelming now when i think about it. >> we're sorry to interrupt. we're up against a hard
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>> there's been a lot of talk this week about what really grows business. is government the answer? our next guest says too many are looking for government for help. the president of power thinking mr. stanley green, thanks for joining us. about a little more than a week ago president obama had a comment about government is the reason your business is successful. what does a small business mentor like you say to people who come to you and say is that where i should be looking for help? government? >> all small business owners know 50% of businesses actually go out of business within the
first five years. the reason why i believe many people were a little taken aback by the comments -- and i'm glad that the president clarified those comments a little later -- is that they know that it's an incredible struggle to be in business. and you really have to draw on some inner strength and this resilience, this incredible resilience to be successful. and certainly there are going to be people helping you along the way. but when your back is against the wall, you have to change your thinking to be more positive, optimistic and move forward. >> you said the president clarified his comments, but he clarified them to the point where he said i was talking about the roads and bridges government builds that allows you to get to your businesses. that didn't offend you just as much as the original comments? >> not quite. the president is a smart man and governor romney is smart. everyone knows one of the toughest things anyone can do is go into business for themselves. there are incredible obstacles that many times
you and you alone have to get over. and certainly the government is there. if you have to file for bankruptcy, there are bankruptcy laws and there are a lot of things. in essence, you have to figure it out and you have to draw on your own resilience. >> let's talk about some of the obstacles. health care, taxes, regulations. which one of the two, the president or the candidate, will be better for small business? >> that's still being evaluated. there's a lot we have to sift through. we have to take it upon ourselves as americans to sift through the sound bites and really dig into the policies that both offer. >> which one works for small business better? that's where i'm getting at. there are plenty of studies out there, the amount of pressure the president is putting on small business is stifling small business?
>> no one wants to be overregulated. no one wants to be overtaxed. if you're a business, you're scraping and scratching for every penny. the idea of having more taxes is a tough one to take. if you are going to pay more taxes, you want to make sure the tax money is being spent efficiently and effectively. >> thanks for joining us. still ahead, stay right here as we look at the movie massacre. we'll continue our look into it and see what happened and a time line of the events. passengers forced to jump out of an airplane after an emergency landing.
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>> welcome back to "fox & friends." 6:30 eastern time on a very difficult saturday morning, one following the worst shooting in u.s. history. 12 were killed, 58 injured at a movie theater in aurora, colorado at a midnight shooting of "the dark knight rises." >> you're from colorado. from aurora, colorado. have you had a chance to talk to your folks out there? >> my family is here for
the weekend. i talked to friend in aurora who are stunned. aurora, colorado is named one of the safest large cities in the country a few years ago, according to stats. this is a town i grew up in, went to high school, middle school. everyone is stunned, can't believe this is our town. this is 20 miles from columbine. this isn't far away from the first school shooting. >> i think about that, the residual trauma of that area you all have experienced. obviously we're going to have dr. keith ablow on to talk about that. >> the midnight movie, the release of "the dark knight rises." it was sold out. all shows were sold out, so a lot of people there. out of the blue. can happen anywhere. happen anywhere at any time. we're going to take you back through the time line on how the tragic events unfolded. >> the premiere of a highly
anticipated movie, theaters sold out across the area and this theater packed. more than 100 people had to have been in there. it sounds like it was stadium seethe. it was dark in there. the movie just started when they saw the door open at the bottom of the theater and that's when the chaos began. >> this event began at 000:39. the first calls came into 911. >> we just are having units getting to the scene now. there may be somebody actively shooting. [inaudible] >> there's blood out there. >> we were maybe 20 minutes into the movie. it was a calm part of the movie, no guns, no nothing. all of a sudden i looked to my right and there is this guy who's coming through
this exit door to my right. and he looked like he was an actor or something, like he was a prop or some extra pizzazz added to the movie premiere to make it look interesting. that's what everybody was thinking. >> we've heard that the gunman was not targeting anybody in specific fashion. he just started opening fire on the crowd as people were trying, scrambling to get out of the theater. >> saw a canister fly across the auditorium. thought it was a prank and then preceded by a flash in a thing. i assume that was maybe fireworks, someone trying to be funny. that was preceded by three shots which then i realized this was real gunfire. >> one guy shooting everyone, people trying to run like hopping over people, running on top of people. he was just standing there, just standing there aiming at people. >> he was relentless. he was shooting anybody he possibly could. it didn't matter who you
were: a guy, woman, child. if you were trying to escape he was going to shoot you. >> fire coming in at the fronts door of this business right now. >> within roughly one minute to a minute and a half police officers were on scene and apprehended mr. holmes in the back of the theater. his white hyundai parked in the back of the theater, he was apprehended with three weapons in the car and one was left eup side the theater. >> about 15 denver officers coming around to the back. >> the vehicle may have a secondary device. again, you need to leave that area and cordon it off until a bomb squad gets there. >> give us some damned gas masks for theater 9. we can't get in it. >> we've been in the
theater, met with the lieutenant. there are ten in there. >> his apartment is booby-trapped with various insend ary and chemical devices and apparent trip wires. we've evacuated residents to a safe distance and it includes side buildings in the area being evacuateed. >> there was a massacre at that movie theater in aurora, colorado, and right there you're looking at the apartment building where the shooter lives. we know that that was his apartment building. we've seen his car, and now we know his name. his name is james holmes. he is 24 years old and lives in north aurora. he was apprehended at the scene. he was wearing a bullet-proof vest. of course we now know that he had red hair and told police he was the joker.
clearly there is some type of link to this movie. no one has any idea exactly what yet. >> horrible tragedies like this always put everything in perspective. it's a shame something like this has to happen. of course the last thing on people's minds yesterday were presidential politics, something we devoted so many months to. even the candidates put that all aside. they put politics aside in the wake of this tragedy. president obama and mitt romney instead spoke as parents during their campaign events. >> both speeches were just the right amount, just the right amount of concern, right amount of talking like a parent. mitt romney at one point cited some biblical passages. both were fantastic. i think they did the right thing. they put politics aside; also a good idea. >> peter live in washington, d.c. with more on how the candidate and the president handled this. good morning, peter. >> good morning.
as america woke up yesterday and learned how horrifying what happened in aurora truly was, the obama campaign and the romney kpa*eupb both asked -- campaign both asked affiliate tv stations in colorado to pull their attack ads for the time being and the obama campaign later asked for all their ads to be taken down in colorado for a bit, but that takes a lot of time and coordination with the tv station. president obama's remarks, however, were very direct. >> michelle and i will be fortunate enough to hug our girls a little tighter tonight, and i am sure you will do the same with your children. but for those parents who may not be so lucky, we have to embrace them and let them know we will be there for them as a nation. >> president obama cut his campaign trip to florida short yesterday, canceling a rally in orlando so he can get back to d.c. mitt romney decided to appear at his event in new hampshire but had all
campaign signs removed and all music turned off. he stood in front of an american flag and ignored talking points about the economy to speak only about the heartbreak of what happened at that movie theater and about the victims who we're starting to learn more about. >> in the coming days we'll surely learn more about the lives that have been lost and the families that have been harmed by this hateful act. we'll come to know more about the talents and the gifts that each victim possessed, and we'll come to understand the hope and the opportunity that's been lost. our hearts break for the victims and their families. >> mitt romney prefaced those remarks by saying he wasn't speaking as a man running for office but instead as a father and a grandfather and an american. while president obama said that there will be other days for politics, but that yesterday was a day for prayer and reflection. back to you in new york. >> let's go to the rest of the headlines.
we want to show you this crazy event. passengers on an american eagle flight headed for chicago's o'hare were forced to jump from the plane in this bizarre evacuation. bad weather in chicago forced the plane to land in peoria, illinois. once it landed the plane filled with smoke. no word on where the smoke came from. give us answers or lose aid from the united states. republican senator rand paul is taking a stand to attack pakistan where he says that he wants answers because of the doctor who had -- i'll just move on. we lost video and prompter for that story about the doctor who helped locate osama bin laden. we'll get back to that. an amazing story of survival after a rhode island fisherman was on his boat and swept overboard by an unexpected wave. he was out there alone and not wearing a life jacket.
the 51-year-old forced to tread water for ten hours before being rescued by the coast guard. >> i spent four hours after i was in the water, i saw the first searchlights come opbd and the helicopters. that bolstered my spirits. that said i do have a chance. i had pretty good energy left after that. >> he was recovering from hyperthermia and he exhaustion. he said the lesson learned: always wear a life jacket. >> there's been such a big story for the last number of weeks and a story that i think will be with us for the remainder of the summer and that is the drought. about 75% of the country now under some sort of a drought. you look at this map, the darker the color, the worse the drought is. you can see a big swath in the central part of the country dealing with severe to exceptional drought as well as the corner across
areas of georgia. a little bit of rain has fallen from time to time and we have seen it. we got this -- we've had some rain across parts of georgia. you see this center stripe in the country where the worst of the drought is, we're not getting any help there. there is high pressure here continuing to dominate. unfortunately i think it's going to keep the rain out of this area in the central park of the country. we see the rain move to the north. across north dakota and minnesota, and we're seeing nice rain across the parts of the four koerpbs. that is going to help. along with dry conditions comes these temperatures. take a look today in denver, 100 degrees. the central part of the country will continue to bake. look at the next three days. everybody in triple digits. omaha through monday around 105. unfortunately this heat and dry conditions continue. >> coming up, police will be back out this morning trying to gain entry into that booby-trapped
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some things that look like mortar rounds. we have a lot of challenges to get in there safely. >> how do investigators go about gaining entry into the alleged shooter's booby-trapped apartment? let's ask former homicide detective rod wheeler. he joins us leave from d.c. this morning. good morning, sir. take us to the scene of the investigation, to the apartment. what are they going through? and what do we know about what's in that apartment, considering this man, the shooter, is working on a p.h. did in neuroscience. >> exactly. the police chief yesterday used the term very sophisticated setup that they can see inside that apartment. as a result of that, they have to be equally as sophisticated in terms of entering into that apartment. now, we know they have to get into that apartment at some point. there is two ways either through the window or through that front door. i can tell you exactly what we're going to see today. what we're going to see is the police are going to have to use a very small explosive of their own, and
they're going to probably blow that front door, i suspect, off. once they get that front door off, they're going to send a robot in. think of a robot sort of like a remote-controlled car, like a toy car. from outside the building they're going to be able to control that robot, and i suspect they're going to take video first and then they're going to probably trip some of those wires because at some point they're going to have to disable those wires in there. >> i'm guessing one of the most, i guess they're going to try to gain evidence in the apartment. one of the most key pieces of evidence would probably be the guy's computer, right? >> i think that is going to be very important. they obviously already have his cell phone. they probably have access to some of the data that he already has on that computer probably stored in the cloud. they are going to try to retain as much of that information as they can. they're going to have to get in there one way or another. sometimes, believe it or not, the only thing you can do is to actually use your own explosive or incendiary
device to get in. the other thing like i said, there's only two ways in: through the window and through that front door. >> they did try to gain entry through that window yesterday, the fire department. it will be interesting to see. you don't want to blow up potential evidence. there may be writings, ram pwelgz, clues as to why he did this. that's why you have to be particularly careful with exploding these things. >> right. not only are we concerned about what's in there, but the liquid that's in those bottles, we're not exactly sure at this point, the police aren't sure exactly what that liquid is. probably gasoline. we're concerned about the total impact of the explosion. we don't know if it's going to blow the whole building up or what. that's why they decided to wait till today under the cover of daylight instead of going in there last night. >> thank you very much. we're going to bring you back in a little bit to talk to you some more later. >> still ahead, as the investigation continues into this movie theater
massacre, what can we learn about the mind of the accused gunman? i'm a home in a high-risk flood area. it doesn't look risky. i mean, phil, does this look risky to you? nancy? fred? no. well it is. in a high-risk area, there's a 1-in-4 chance homes like us will flood. i'm glad i got flood insurance.
>> welcome back. details still emerging this morning about the deadly movie massacre in aurora, colorado as police continue to investigate what can we learn about the mind of the suspect from the strange trail and the little bit of it he left behind. >> here to help us break this down is forensic pathologist dr. michael boden. thanks for being with us early. you said something i haven't heard anywhere else. we're trying to get inside the mind of this crazed
gunman. you said if he was a medical student in a ph.d. program in neuroscience he would have had to have taken path psycho evaluation. >> there was always kaeufrlness to make sure a psychiatrist interviewed all the applicants being considered for admission because they don't want to take in somebody who's got some significant mental deficit. >> somebody who could crack under the pressure. >> or do bad things to patients later on. in the medical school environment -- and he was in the medical school environment -- if somebody's acting bizarre or in an unhealthy way usually those things are picked up or acted on. there should be considerable information about him at the medical school, at the center and why he dropped out. because he was in a very
highly desired ph.d. program. >> the word is he was struggling academically with the course load. there is very little on-line about this man, whether it be facebook, twitter or some sort of blogging. the one thing people can't get away from is the mother of james holmes was called. she initially told the local affiliate -- quote -- "you have the right person." this was so early in this investigation. what do you make of that statement? >> i think there's a lot of information that has not come out yet as to why the mom made that statement, what his mental status was, why she wasn't horrified, surprise, in denial when she was first told that her son was taken into custody. so there's a lot of information yet to come out, why a bright young, intelligent person like he was would seem to crack. and i think that once -- he
couldn't get a job. he comes to aurora and then kind of has a downhill course. and he starts accumulating lots of stuff on the internet. there's something that happened emotionally, mentally to him that, it will come out but we don't know that yet. >> dr. michael baden, always great to have your expertise. thank you. >> we continue to look at the tragedy in colorado. we also head back to aurora where police will be back at the apartment this morning that we believe is booby-trapped with booby-trapped with explosives as we speak. [ ryan ] luck doesn't get you to the olympic games. ♪ you can't wish your way onto the dium. ♪ you can't buy it or hope for it.
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this hour. dressed and armed to kill, the man behind one of the worst massacres in u.s. history is in custody and we're learning new details about james holmes and his deadly killing spree. >> did he mean for more to die? police are searching for a motive and a safe way to enter the suspect's apartment this morning. they say it's booby-trapped with potential explosives and evacuated the entire area. we'll have the latest on that ahead. >> amid the senseless tragedy we're finding out more about the shooting victims and hearing incredible stories of survival. the aurora community obviously rocked by this tragedy and now relying on their faith. we'll hear from more eyewitnesses and how they made it out alive. "fox & friends" starts right now. >> good morning. it's obviously a sad, tragic and tense morning as we learn more about this
horrible massacre that happened in aurora, colorado as well as the gunman and victims stories that are emerging. >> good to be here, glad to be here, bringing as much information as we can. again, the victims, who the gunman is, there's a lot of new information coming as we speak. >> in an era of t.m.i., of too much information, it's surprising how much about a 24-year-old we did not know. no friends have come forward. nothing on facebook, nothing on twitter, nothing on linked in, nothing of a blog of any sort. strange in this era to leave such a small digital footprint. >> good point. there are new details emerging about the shooting rampage in this movie theater in colorado. 12 people are dead, dozens more injured. >> this is a man police say is responsible and later this morning police will make another attempt to deactivate explosives and chemical devices left at his apartment.
>> mike is live with the latest boy, you're up early, mike. what's the latest. >> here we are a day and a night later and still not much is known about the motivation, what might have set off this horrific attack. a lot of answers could be concealed in that apartment, a little less than four miles away from this location. but police are not in a hurry to get eup side of that apartment because it is protected by a series of boob traps. police did get a camera inside to get a look at it, what they have described as a series of trip wires. they have described possible mortar rounds, fire bombs, containers filled with an unidentified type of liquid. every indication that what james holmes wanted was a second scene of carnage at that apartment. >> it is a very vexing problem how to enter that apartment safely. i personally have never seen anything like what the pictures show us is in there. i see an awful lot of
wires, trip wires, jars full of ammunition, jars full of liquid, some things, things that look like mortar rounds. we have a lot of challenges to get in there safely. >> the gunman was an honor student from a nice part of san diego. he was clean-cut, played soccer, he excelled at science. people did describe him as shy or a loaner, someone who kept to himself. they also said he did engage in roll playing or fantasy games on the computer. still nothing that would indicate he would go off on an attack such as this. the weapons he purchased were all bought legally and locally, an ar-15 assault rifle, a shotgun, two glock side arms, background checks were performed. all that would have come up on those background checks was a simple speeding ticket. police say he spent about two months amassing some 6,000 rounds for the glock side arms and for the ar-15, some 300 rounds for the 12-gauge shotgun.
police say that he did have a drum type magazine capable of holding 100 rounds for the ar-15. also that he bought on an kpe -- expedited basis all that body armor, complete with leg protection and neck protection. still when police approached him on the backside of the theater after all of this was done, he gave up without a fight. >> that is an interesting point, michael. thank you very much. all of this, you would have thought he would have gone down shooting. the point mike made about all the equipment, this ar-15 assault rifle runs between $750 and $1,000. how did he pay for that let alone these 6,000 rounds and all the body armor? you're talking in the neighborhood of $3,000, $5,000, 6,000 thousand dollars. where did he get the money to pay for it? >> we're learning a little
more about the gunman and a lot more about the victims. 70 people were shot in this massacre. every one of them has a story. 12 people were killed. one of the most eerie and compelling stories is a young woman named jessica ghawi. jessica ghawi was a budding sportscaster but also she had just cheated death. weeks earlier -- she was from toronto. she was at a toronto mall. she started to get a strange, eerie feeling in a food court. she was about to have dinner. she left the food court and two minutes later there was another shooting spree in june at this toronto mall. she survived it but she blogged about it and it haunted her. that's just one of the stories we're hearing. >> talk about social media, there were a couple of stories, heart-wrenching stories, jessica ghawi talked about talking her boyfriend into going to that movie. she said he didn't want to go.
how is it i have to talk a guy to go to a midnight movie of a batman premier. and another one. look at tom sullivan, who is the father of alec sullivan. this picture is him looking for his son in the aftermath of the massacre. turns out alec sullivan was killed in the massacre. we may -- >> we have a picture of young alex who turned 27 -- >> that night. he's holding the picture. >> there are some available on the internet of 27-year-old alex sullivan. >> can i read the tweet he put out? his words, alex sullivan. one hour till the movie and it's going to be the best birthday ever. >> still learning more about the victims. there was a six-year-old who was killed in the shooting. there was also as of right now a u.s. navy sailor who is unaccounted for. there was a woman who just returned for -- from missionary work in haiti
among the victims. still learning more. one of the questions is wafs a six-year-old -- what was a six-year-old doing there? a three-month-old and four-month-old were in the movie. they are fine. >> we can debate toddler's sleep schedules. a lot of people don't have baby sitters, they take them. we did hear from the father. >> the mother of the six-year-old is alive, in the hospital this morning. >> can we make a very good point, how fast the police were on the scene. there are reports of people admitted to the hospital in minutes of when this gunman allegedly started opening up on the crowd, which means the cops were there, they got people in the ambulances, got the scene secured and people to the hospital fast. they did a phenomenal job. dan oates, the aurora police chief should be commended. >> the aurora p.d. usually has a cop stationed at this very theater. >> they didn't but they were within a minute and a
half from the time the first call came in to the time they were on the scene. meanwhile let's get to headlines. scary moments at an arizona movie theater. several people seeing "the dark knight rises" saying this guy, michael williams was acting strangely. he was carrying a backpack and appeared to be intoxicated. one person tried to confront him and then panic ensued. about 50 people fled the theater. off-duty border patrol agents tackled him. he is facing charges of disorderly conduct. >> after a week of searching a lake, police turn up nothing. police are classifying this as an abduction. the reclassification of the case comes as a judge ordered officers to make sure the girls' father makes it to court hearings on two separate drug cases. he and his wife both spent time in prison on drug
charges. they also decided to stop talking, according to police, about their missing daughters' case. a home-grown terrorist pleads guilty. he was helping terrorists build remote-controlled planes. he was arrested last year when federal agents posing as al qaeda members delivered explosives to him. he is expected to get 17 to 35 years in prison when he is sentenced in november. those are your headlines. >> moments ago we told you more about the accused movie theater mats kerr gunman -- massacre gunman. upnext someone here to try to help us understand the summer road trip, huh? as the hotel experts, finding you the perfect place is all we do.
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>> he was heavily armed and dressed head to toe in riot gear before pulling off one of the worst massacres in u.s. history. this morning we are learning new details about the suspected shooter james holmes and what may have prompted this vicious attack. >> joining us is criminal profileer pat brown. thanks for being with us. so tough as we sift through what little we know about james holmes. what do you make of the fact that he reportedly had dyed his hair red, was telling the police that he was the joker? >> he's clearly got a thing for batman movies and likes the role the joker plays. what happens with a lot of psychopathic people is that they love the fantasy, like to put themselves in a role of power and control whether it be a batman or spiderman, reading comics and putting themselves in the place of somebody who has super powers essentially. they can do things that normal people can't do like kill other people. >> obviously whenever
anything like this happens, we just want to figure out what caused the crack, what caused somebody to become unhinged to stop it in the future. once again you hear adjectives that don't sound alarming: quiet, loner, but that you hear repeatedly. what do you think about this kid that dropped out of this academic ph.d. program? what was going on with him? >> i think we can get rid of the word snapped. what made this guy snap? they guy planned it for two months. he wasn't snapping. this is something that grew out of his personal and out of his personality disorder. i say this guy is psyche pathic. some people believe he is psychotic. a psychotic person does not have the control he has and have the planning skills to be able to carry things outs this way. psychotics have distorted reality and don't know what's going on.
this guy knew what was going on. he has a personality disorder which was going on forever. he happens to be a smart one and was able to go to school and do well. obviously school was not satisfying to him. he had a rage against everybody, a rage against society, wanted more attention and wasn't getting it in any other way. this way he got his day. he did a bang-up job of it. >> if people say -- are wondering why he was planning for months, he purchased equipment. let me tell you what the mother said. any mother, if they had a sense their son was involved in it, i would think the initial reaction was denial. this can't be my boy. all we're hearing she said from local affiliates -- quote -- "you have the right person." what do you make of that? >> she has seen him going downhill for years. he must have some kind of
violence, he has been spougt off. -- spouting off. maybe not to everybody. she has seen him focused on something she does not like. she may recognize for years she's had problems with him, he's had that psychopathic personality, entitlement, manipulation. he hasn't had empathy in the past, doesn't care about other human beings. you cannot get up and do this if you have any kind of concern for other humanness. little children in the theater, didn't care that he killed those little children. this is a total psychopath. it's not, some say he just got to the point where he lost his mind so badly he couldn't tell the difference between reality and nonreality and his needs were so -- he was so messed up he couldn't see other people as people. he never saw other people as people. that's why he could go down this route. when you say how do we prevent this? we have to start recognizing psycho paths at younger ages and then realize what makes them
decide violent action rather than become a con artist or other trade of a psycho paths. >> we need to be more attuned to mental health issues obviously. thanks for your help. >> coming up, we go back out to the scene, get reaction from witnesses of the movie massacre. >> he's been criticized by his own party for going against the president's health care plan. now he's speaking out on why he thinks it is the wrong direction for the country. we have democratic congressman jason altmire here next. ♪ [ acoustic guitar: slow ] [ barks ] ♪ [ upbeat ] [ barks ] beneful playful life is made with energy-packed wholesome grains... and real beef and egg. to help you put more play in your day.
congressman jason altmire is a blue dog democrat, a dying breed who opposed kpwoerpl and was defeated in pennsylvania's primary. he says not all policies are a good idea for americans. thank you for joining us, congressman. let's take a step back. let's tell the people what actually went on. in 2010 you were up for election and you voted against obamacare, right. how did that turn out for you? >> i voted against the bill because it was the right thing to do for my district. medicare advantage was cut in the bill. there were other policy disagreements i had with the bill. i think voting against the bill was the right vote for my district. i was reelected in a republican-leaning district in 2010. and i think if i had voted for the health care bill, the result probably would have been different then. but then -- >> you think you would have lost? you think jason altmire would have lost in 2010 had you voted for obamacare?
let's talk about in the time since 2010 since this occurred and they redistricted, redrew the districts within the state of pennsylvania. and what happened? >> pennsylvania lost a seat. they merged two congressional seats into one, and i lost my primary largely over the health care vote because it mobilized organized labor and other folks who supported the bill, and they decided they were going to use this as an example. i made the right vote for my district. i have no regrets. i have to look in the mirror and my neighbors and friend in the eye and know that i did. >> what don't you like about obamacare? >> it didn't address the cost of health care. we started out talking about how do you lower the cost for businesses, families, even the government. we're going to bankrupt the country if we don't do something about the cost. then we transitioned into talking about coverage. that is important but we didn't do enough to bring down the cost to make reforms in the health care delivery system that are going to lower the costs for everybody. we transferred who's paying
the bill from one group of people to another. i think we could have done it a little bit better. >> congressman, you say you don't like the 2.3% medical device tax which would raise about $20 billion. there are a lot of new taxes in obamacare? >> there are a lot. that one in particular i think is one that needs tor repealed because medical devices are something that is a growing technology. we're talking about everything from tongue depressors to the most high tech equipment you can imagine. 2.3% is an arbitrary number because they needed to hit a target to fund the bill. i think there is a better way to do it. you're going to hurt our innovation. we have worldwide leadership in innovation in those technologies. >> blue dog democrat means you're fiscally conservative. if you sell a home and make profit on a home you're going to get surtaxed on the profits? >> they needed to hit their funding target about $1
trillion. they did that by cutting $500 billion from medicare and the other $500 billion is taxes. that's one of the things in the bill that was there to hit a funding target not because there is a rational argument to be made for why it should be in the law. >> you voted against obamacare. it may have cost you your seat for the next coming term. what's your plan going forward? have you called -- have you knocked on john boehner's door and said i'm here? >> i haven't. i'm a democrat. i'm going to continue serving the people that i was elected to represent. i was elected to a two-year term. i'm going to finish the term and work as hard as i can and do the best job i can especially in this lame duck session. we're going to address the tax code and other things left undone after the election. >> representative jason altmire, thank you for joining us. stay right here as we hear from witnesses who were in the theater when the madman opened fire. dr. keith ablow breaks down the mind of a killer and what drives someone to commit horrific crimes like this.
aurora, colorado, theater 9, was filled to capacity. in fact, all of the theaters were filled to capacity. as we understand it, they sat each one, at least 200 people. it was midnight showing, and you started to hear the stories of what happened over the course of the next two hours. >> as you all know now, 12 people killed, 58 injured. that makes it the worst mass shooting in u.s. history in terms of the amount of people that were shot. just think of that. 70 people in one theater were shot. we're still learning a lot about the shooter. we still have cameras standing by at his apartment that is booby-trapped. police trying later this morning to figure out how to detonate those devices and recover some evidence, some clue as to why this happened. >> it's a mass turd, an absolute tragedy. if there is any silver lining in it, it is that so far only 12 people were killed. this guy had an assault rifle, a shotgun and two
handguns. the assault rifle may have been an automatic or at least semi automatic. there could have been a lot more. >> it could have been another scene of carnage at his house. there is still danger there this morning because he booby-trapped it and one of the woman who lived in his apartment complex heard loud music. he left techno music on a loop after he left the apartment. everybody heard this music. they were trying to sleep. she went to his apartment and the door was ajar. she got a bad feel and backed away. had she opened the door, who knows if the whole apartment complex could have blown up. we will find out more this morning. >> what was it like to be at that movie theater, to hear the shots, see the gunman? let's hear from the eyewitnesses that were there at the aurora theater. >> a little bit after we went to the lobby, we heard a loud explosion. that's when we heard gunshots open up. it sounded like a fully automatic weapon. >> saw a canister fly across the auditorium,
thought it was some kind of prank and then preceded a couple of second by a flash and bang. i presume that was fireworks, someone trying to be funny. that was preceded by another three shots which i then realized it was gunfire. >> i saw a girl on the left-hand side in front of the theater, she had to be no more than 12, 13 years old it looked like. and she just had like visibly she had two bullet wounds on her leg and blood completely covering her stomach. and i -- like we were all in shock. we didn't know what was going on. >> he came in and i thought he was a prop, you know what i mean? he threw some smoke grenade of some sort. then i thought it was for pizzazz. when he shot the ceiling, that's when everybody -- it was pandemonium and then chaos. he at that point from the time frame that he took it to the ceiling, he got it to my face. he had the gun in my face.
i was freaked out for five seconds and i dove into the aisle and it was like i don't know what to do. i'm going to curl in a ball. i smelled gun powder. all i heard was screaming and a lot of gunshots one after the other. then i see him going up the stairs and people were trying to run away and he was shooting them. there was little girls and boys in there, moms and dads, babies in there. there were so many bodies on the stairs in the aisles. i probably saw 15 bodies. i don't know if they were dead or alive or if they were hurt. they were lifeless, the most devastating thing i have seen. >> that young woman was very vocal. >> very composed. >> very composed. almost too much so. in other words, you have to wonder when it's going to hit. all the people who witness this had blood bath and scene of complete carnage, we know it can be months or years later that there are residual effects. the composure you saw yesterday among some people, we have to obviously monitor everyone and make sure they will still be okay.
>> in the wake of this colorado massacre, president obama and challenger mitt romney took the time during their campaign events to put politics aside and respond to the tragedy. >> president obama cut his campaign trip to florida short yesterday so he could get back to d.c. and that meant canceling an appearance in orlando and reducing an appearance in fort myers just to remark about the victims and the community in colorado that has been torn apart by this random violence. >> if there's anything to take away from this tragedy, it's the reminder that life is very fragile. our time here is limited and it is precious. and what matters at the end of the day is not the small things. it's not the trivial things which so often consume us and our daily lives. ultimately it's how we choose to treat one another
and how we love one another. >> in new hampshire, mitt romney did not cancel his campaign event but he did pull down all campaign signs and turn off all the music and ignore all the talking points about the economy to focus just on the families of the lost. >> we pray that the wounded will recover and that those who are grieving will know the nearness of god. today we feel not only a sense of grief but perhaps also of helplessness. but there is something we can do. we can offer comfort to someone near us who is suffering or heavy laden, and we can mourn with those who mourn in colorado. >> the obama campaign and the romney campaign both asked affiliate tv stations in colorado to pull their contrast ads or attack ads for the time being. the obama campaign yesterday later on asked for all their ads to be taken down for a bit.
while that takes time and coordination, the campaign says they are doing their best. >> i think what the president said really hit home to me. i kept hugging my kids all day long. i think they kept pushing me off. you just want to wrap them up a little tighter on that day. >> so true. all parents thought that way. it's a shame that it takes a massacre to make us puts down some of our verbal barbs for a day. >> after 9/11 i was watching -- i drove home and hugged my son. yesterday when that happened i took him for a ride. we went to get a cup of coffee. we talked about it. it's important to talk to your kids about what's going on and how this is what happens. things happen. it's not fundamentally changing america. we're still the same country we were two days ago. and he needed to hear that. it's an important thing to do. >> something we may have to discuss on the program tomorrow because i know all sorts of kids are asking what are you guys watching? it's on 24/7 across the
country. >> producers take a note. we need to do that for tomorrow. my kids are seven and five. i don't want them to be scared to go to the movies. you have to figure out how to tell them about things like this. we'd love to hear from you as well as what you're doing at home with your kids. let's go to your headlines. give answers or lose your aid from the united states. republican senator rand paul taking a strong stand to help the pakistani doctor now behind bars after helping locate osama bin laden. paul vowing to hold a vote next week to cut off aid to pakistan if he does not get answers about this doctor's case. an appeals hearing was scheduled this week for shakil afridi but a report in a pakistan newspaper said the hearing was delayed until august 30. it's any new parents worst nightmare, being given the wrong baby. that is what one more said happened to her. she was getting ready to feed her newborn for the first time when a nurse gave her the wrong child. it took staff 30 minutes to
bring sanford her real daughter. the new mom said she's worried about what happened to her daughter during that time. >> anything could have happened. i don't want somewhere down the line in the future something popping up with my child. >> all the hospital said sanford's baby was in the nursery the whole time and they will continue to investigate that incident. >> the california parks department under new management amid a multimillion-dollar budget scandal. the former director resigned after a probe found $54 million in unreported money dating back 12 years. the cash was found during an investigation into illegal vacation buyouts. the parks department has been struggling to remain open slashing their budget more than $20 million. the new investigation has been launched it see if financial records were intentionally altered. it's good to find $12 million rather than lose it. a japanese rocket is on its way to the international space station this morning. >> three, two, one. ignition. >> the unmanned rocket is carrying vital supplies to
astronauts living at the station, including a new camera system, food, and steer equipment. also on board a scientists experiment by students who won a youtube contest. >> a check on our weather. hot and dry? >> yes, especially across the central plains. take a look at this. see these oranges on the map, those are temps in the 80's and it's 6:30 in the morning across the plains. you have temps in the 80's already. that does not portend a good thing for the afternoon. that's where we'll be seeing very high temperatures for the next three days. kansas city today, tomorrow and monday in these triple digits. the same with omaha. st. louis you're back over the triple-digit range. rapid city, upper 90's. denver today 100 degrees. you go farther towards the south and you'll see the heat build as well. tulsa into the triple
digits. dallas 108. the heat is here. it's obviously very dry. because of this, all kind of heat advisorsies posted from south dakota towards texas and louisiana today. this heat is going to stay here across parts of the plains. it will build in towards the east again but i don't think we'll be seeing the northeast get as hot as we were this last week. showers across parts of the plain. high pressure keeping all the moisture away from the plains and driving all the moisture to the north of that. parts of north dakota, south dakota and minnesota, drought not as bad. head to the south, it is extremely dry. it continues to look like for the next week to two weeks remain very dry. we have moisture moving in across parts of the four corners. that is good news. a little bit of a break in areas of utah. >> he made it out alive. a survivor in the adjacent
movie theater when bullets came through the wall joins us to describe the terrifying scene in aurora, colorado. >> we look at the man behind these mass murders. what causes a person to go on a killing spree like this? we're going to ask we're going to ask dr. keith ablow. you can't argue with nutrition you can see. great grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. see the seam? more pcessed flakes look nothing like natural grains. i'm eating what i kn is better nutrition. mmmm. great grains. search great grains and see for yourself. male spirit present.trong it's the priceline negotiator. >>what?
>> welcome back. in the emotional aftermath of the movie massacre in aurora, colorado, many consider if dark movies are to blame. are they perhaps catalysts leading to violence? >> as we begin to learn more about james holmes and the mind behind the massacre, we wonder what causes a person to become unhinged. many say it is the experiences they endure as a child. spoeupb joining us is -- >> joining us is dr. keith
ablow. i tried to have a discussion with my son about what happened. it was awkward because i didn't know how to explain it. it's still a good thing to talk to your kids about this right when it happens? >> it's absolutely a good thing because kids are thinking about it any how. whether they bring it up or they don't, they're going to come to certain conclusions, and you want them to be the healthiest ones possible. you have the ability as an adult to balance the issues involved and to tell your kids the world as you already did. you mentioned it. the world is still safe. the country is still america. but kids can think everything is fundamentally changed, which it has not. it's still safe going to the movies. the reason this is on the news, you can tell them, is because this is a one in a billion event. think of all the movie cinemas across the country and the factors that led to this event, they're not about sitting in the movie cinema any more than tear gas is to blame because he used that in this event. what's to blame are
longstanding issues that this fellow faced psychologically that then manifested themselves in a horrific set of symptoms and this calamity. so the likelihood that there's another man out there just like james holmes, well, that's like winning the -- a terrible analogy -- losing the lottery, one in a billion shot. >> let's attempt to get into the mind of this man. you can't separate the movie from what happened. he had dyed red hair, told police he was the joker. i looked into it a little bit. there was a popular batman video game staged in an empty movie theater. a popular batman comic that involved an attack on a live television audience. what do you make of all of that in terms of what unfolded at that midnight showing? >> here's the thing. you can't blame batman. the movie didn't wrench a normal man into its realm and distort him into a
psychopathic killer, a mass murderer. people who are ill can certainly happen upon cultural events and forces and attach themselves to those. they lose themselves in that. that's why, for instance, many paranoid people who sought care in my office come and they complain, they say the c.i.a. is following me. well, the c.i.a. didn't cause their illness. they have attached themselves to a known entity -- the c.i.a. -- and expressed their illness in terms of the c.i.a., just as this person, whatever he's struggling with, expressed his symptoms in terms of this movie, if he did. the dyed red hair, i've heard that report. if he did and called himself the joker, he was mentally deranged and picked these props, as you could pick any, and said this is the way i'm going to express my psychopathology. >> here's the vexing thing
for all of us and for investigators, which is that he is described by neighbors and by schoolmates as quiet, as, okay, a loner, but easy-going. but pat brown, a criminal profiler told us a little while ago on the show was this is a psychopathology that had been there forever. is that right? >> she doesn't know that. >> or did something get triggered in adolescence that sparks it? >> first of all, i thought pat brown's comments, while i'm sure she's an able person, were very much out of school. she doesn't know that this person is a psychopath or has antisocial personalities. >> you're saying he is a psychopath as well. >> she said quite clearly he is not delusional, no major mental illness. there is no way to know that. that's one of the more irresponsible things i've heard in my career. the bottom line is we don't
know that. here is a guy who was pursuing a life as a healer, wanted to be a neuroscientist. something intervened to turn him from that into a mass murderer. if you had somebody who was a marathon runner and suddenly wastes away muscularly, falls to the ground clutching his chest, you'd say i think there is something physically ill, something wrong. only because of stigma and the fact that people hate people with psychiatric illnesses do we say that this guy is the devil. this guy is tremendously ill, even if it is ill with malignant narcissism, if that turns out to be the case. you think he picked that from infancy to be so shallow and sensitive in his self-esteem as to have to kill people, to assert it? that's called illness. for her to say, no, he's the devil. he's just a criminal, that's just nonsense. >> she didn't say he was the devil. you're using hyperbole.
>> she pretty much did. people are stigmatized enough. this guy did a horrible thing but we don't need to say people who are enrolled in ph.d. programs who probably expressed to more than one person that they were getting sick and got no help, are the end of the world dark. >> we appreciate your mental health perspective on this and it's a good reminder to be more attuned to mental health disorders. >> be on the lookout. >> the scary part is there weren't indications prior to this. >> that we know of. >> i assure you there will be indications. this kid withdrew from school. we want to know what he told the counselors, fellow students and the rest of it. to make your bones professionally by calling people names, we've got to do the work of understanding how to defeat this. >> dr. ablow thank you. it would be more comforting to find out there were warning signs. >> he made it out alive.
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>> welcome back to our special coverage of the movie theater shooting late thursday night in aurora, colorado. our next guest thought the first few shots were cool special effects, as many in the theater thought as well, for this midnight showing of "the dark knight rises." >> then 19-year-old alex realized it was a real-life murder show. >> he joins us from aurora. take us to the moment.
your first thoughts, your initial thoughts, what did you think it was initially? >> initially we thought it was special effects, me and my sister were sitting two rows down from the top. in the middle of a gun fight scene on the big screen, you hear fireworks go off or what sound like fireworks and you immediately think the theater did something special for a midnight showing. you actually think it's cool. i was getting ready to clap before the second ones happened, and there was no more gunshots going on on the screen. >> we understand you were in theater 8 next to theater 9. could you see the gunman? >> no. we did not see the gunman. i had heard rumors after, in the aftermath of everything that he actually walked in to theater 8 after theater 9, but that was actually proven not to be true later on. >> we understand your sister was there with you in the theater. how difficult a time is she having? is it starting to set in for some of you people?
we've talked about how you and many other witnesses are very composed throughout this? but are you seeing some people having a difficult time realizing what they went through? >> yeah. i know plenty of people who were there. i made 15, 20 different friends during that time all before the movie took place. everyone in the immediate area with me was talking to me, having a long conversation. we sat in the theater for a good two hours before the movie started talking about the movie and how we were waiting for it for so long. all of us bought our tickets at least two weeks in advance. >> the gunman shooting, you realize it's not a prop, not a stage thing, you get out. when did you first feel safe? >> i started to feel safe as soon as i saw the first officer guiding me where to go. i got out the front door of the theater and the first officer said are you a victim? did you see the gunman? i said i'm a victim. he said go that way. he pointed off to the left
and i kept going. >> we understand that your sister, who is alyssa -- ashley, she's 14 years old. she was terrified, she was gripping your arm, shaking. how is she doing today? >> today she's doing okay, obviously still a little shaken up. it definitely hit her the hardest and impacted her the most. you get that adrenaline as an older brother and you think get yourself safe, get your sister safe and figure out the danger level from there. >> alex milano thank you for joining us from aurora, colorado, my hometown. my thoughts are with you and everyone else who was there. >> did the alleged colorado gunman mean for more to die? police are searching for a motive and a safe way to enter his apartment at this hour. they know it is booby-trapped. they have evacuated the
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>> good morning everyone. son -- as you know there was mayhem in theater 9 in a movie theater in aurora, colorado. the suspect is in custody. we're learning new details about james holmes. >> as police try to uncover a motive, they are also looking for a safe way to enter the suspect's apartment. authorities say it's rigged with explosives and have evacuated the area. i'm just told fire trucks are on the scene as we speak this morning. more details ahead. >> amid the senseless tragedy the phaoupbt of aurora, colorado -- the community of aurora, colorado leaning on their faith. we'll learn more from a pastor who is there and helping through this
ordeal. >> "fox & friends" starts right now. >> thanks for being with us. a very difficult morning, as we try and dissect what happened in aurora, colorado. 12 people killed, 58 were shot. that is the worst mass shooting in u.s. history in terms of how many people were shot. we should mention eric bowling in for clayton. >> we should also mention you are from aurora, colorado and you have a lot of insight into the area, a lot of friends and loved ones there. it will be worth to get your perspective. >> people think this might be a violent kphaoupt. according to some stats, it is one of the safest in the united states. it is huge, more than 350,000 people. a neighborhood that has been up and down in terms of violence over the past decade but a place i hung out at throughout my high school years and growing up.
so it's very difficult this morning. very difficult yesterday watching all these images in a place where you grew up. >> we are learning troubling new details about the man. police say is responsible for this horrific shooting rampage at that midnight movie shooting in aurora, colorado. >> this morning police are going to return. they may be on their way right now to james holmes' apartment which they say is still booby-trapped. mike tobbin is outside the movie theater. i see pictures from a reporter on the apartment scene that has first responders just now pulling up to the apartment building. a lot unfolding there as well as where you are. >> there is a lot unfolding. we still don't understand much about the motivation for this attack. we're learning more about what went into the attack. the weapons he had were purchased legally and locally. he had an ar-15 assault rifle, 12 gauge shotgun, two glock side arms. one was apparently left in
the car during that attack. background checks were done on these weapons and all those background checks would have turned up was a speeding ticket. the only thing that may have gotten someone's attention was the fact that he was on the internet buying up an arsenal of bullets and body armor. >> in the last 60 days he purchased four guns at local metro gun shops, and through the internet he purchased over 6,000 rounds of ammunition, 3,000 rounds of 223 am tphreugs for the assault -- ammunition for the assault rifle. 3,000 rounds for the two glocks in his possession and 300 rounds for the 12-gauge shotgun. >> clues to his motivation are probably concealed in that apartment just 3.8 miles away from this location. but police are not in a rush to get in that apartment and brave this phaez -- maze of boob
traps, fire bombs containing unidentified liquid. police did get a camera inside that apartment yesterday. they got a look at what the chief described as a vexing problem. federal bomb experts are coming out today to help them devise a strategy to get in, possibly get a look at that evidence and do it all without a detonation. a couple of points that don't make any sense right now, the fact that he set up that apartment with the boob traps, most likely to create a second scene of carnage and chaos. yet he warned police about the booby trap. he bought extensive body armor from head to toe complete with head troe terbgts, groin protectors, intent on having a gun battle with someone. yet when he was confronted by police he gave up without a fight. >> thank you for the update about the shooter. obviously in the media we focus first on the media because we try to figure out what made this horrible
carnage happen but the compelling stories are the 70 people who were shot. 70 people shot, 12 of whom were killed including this young woman jessica ghawi. >> jessica ghawi was an aspiring sportscaster and someone who just survived a horrifying situation recently. she was at the toronto mall shooting and saw first responders, saw people being carried out, was witnessing that entire scene, was tweeting about it and her family wants you to remember jessica. wants her picture up. even posted a youtube video which i will put on twitter in a moment the family sent out the youtube. here is a clip from that as she's talking to hockey players. you can see her personality coming out there. >> then there was thomas sullivan who we have that compelling picture of thomas sullivan running around in the aftermath of the massacre holding a picture of his son alex
sullivan looking for him. there's thomas right there holding the picture. we later learned alex was one of the people killed in the movie theater. alex is deceased. stories go on. it was alex's birthday. he turned 27 that night. he treated one hour till the me movie theater starts, going to be the best birthday ever. >> the pentagon confirmed at least one u.s. navy sailor is unaccounted for and presumed dead at this hour. there was someone who just returned from missionary work from haiti who was among the victims. two more confirmed this morning. arimicalya medek and matt
mcquinn. >> a father almost too grief stricken to speak but he did. we will play you that as well. our next guest is a pastor and a former military man. he tells how he helped with this chaotic scene and how he used prayer to help the survivors. >> darrell wilmoth joins us again from aurora, colorado. thanks for being back with us. what was more helpful to you in this situation, military training that you received or the fact that you are a pastor and know hoeu -- how to help talk people through what they were going through? >> there's an initial side, just to help the physical. once we got all the people that were hurt to ambulances, then it's the swirl side. we started praying -- then it's the spiritual side. we started praying for people. not a single person rejected prayer. when we went up to a person, can we pray for you? yes, and can you pray for
this person? we can't find them. can you pray for this person. it tells how close people wanted to be towards god in this. we were there to represent and pray for them and give them a peace that only jesus christ can give. >> pastor, when did you realize the enormity of the carnage when you were inside the theater? >> inside being in the adjacent theater, we didn't know the enormity of it until we got outside. we knew something was going on. we knew people were getting hurt on our side, but you couldn't see it. the movie was still going on. the lights were off and the movie was still playing. for me, i knew there was, the enormity of it when i literally got feet from the door on the outside and i looked to my left and i saw a 22-year-old girl on the ground covered in blood crying and everybody was running past her. that's where the military side kicked in and there
was another former military guy there and said hey i need help getting her to the ambulances, because they were farther away. they weren't close to us. that's when i realized something happened. >> pastor, what are you going to tell people when they ask you how could this happen? >> well, i don't think -- listening to all the tv and listening to you guys talk and all the experts and stuff, first of all, i don't think any of us could understand why it happened because we're not there. the majority of us, it's inconceivable to do this. these were kids. the majority of people there were kids. i don't think we can get there. i know through prayer, drawing closer to god, i can get a peace that surpasses understanding. the bible doesn't say i'll have a peace with understanding. it says i'll have a peace that passes understanding because i don't think we can understand something like this, that mind-set. >> pastor, i am from aurora, colorado, where
this shooting took place. if you can, share with people a little insight that this is not a community, this is not a city that has a lot of violence. there may have been some times 10, 15, 20 years ago. how unexpected this is to the state and to the city as well. >> well, i don't know if this has been talked about, but this is on the doorstep of the center of the city. one block away is the city building of the city of aurora. it's in their backyard. and it is a peaceful city. i served in the ministry here for nine years. you don't hear anything like this. it's affected the community. you know what was interesting is that you know people talk about how everybody helps and everybody draws together in times like this, and you see the human spirit draw together and help. we should have a lot more of that in the noncrisis times. and we should draw
together. and we do that through prayer. when you're praying for people. and something that really hit me, just praying about all my activities. even when i'm leaving to go to a movie. keeping that peppered in prayer. i didn't know what my night was going to be like. i didn't know any of this was going to happen. i thought i was going to link up with missionary friends of mine that had been in town. little did i know what my night would be like. >> thank you for your soothing words and being with us, your firsthand eyewitness report of the tragedy. we really appreciate it. >> god bless, guys. >> you too, sir. >> as we've been reporting all morning, the community of aurora and the nation dealing with the aftermath of this horrific shooting. who is this man? the accused gunman james holmes. what set him off? how did it go unnoticed? former homicide detective former homicide detective rod wheeler joins us next.
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>> he's accused of carrying out one of the worst massacres in u.s. history. this morning we are learning new information about this colorado shooting suspect james holmes. were warning signs missed? >> let's ask former homicide detective rod wheel. he joins us from washington this morning. let's start with the fact that one weapon alone, the ar-15 assault weapon, cost between $750 and $1,000. you add up all the ammunition, the glock, body armor, you're talking about several thousands of dollars of things purchased in a very short period of time. was something missed there? >> first of all, this guy was obviously prepared for war. let's face it. the way he was dressed, the
police chief said this guy had more than 6,000 rounds of ammunition. this guy was prepared for war. who missed the warning signs? there's always warning signs with these cases. that ar-15, you can do major damage with that gun. that shotgun alone will send off at least 50 to 75 rounds in less than one minute. this guy was also armed with two glock 40 handguns. both of those handguns are capable of having an extended clip. an extended clip holds anywhere from 28 to 31 rounds. look at how much ammunition this guy had. you know what else? i think this guy stopped shooting at that theater because he ran out of bullets. that's the only reason. >> the danger is not over at this hour. as we know, his apartment is booby-trapped with something. when police peered in the window, they saw contraptions, they saw coke bottles filled with an unknown liquid. we are told fire fighters
have just showed up on the scene to try to defuse it. what will they do there in the next hours? >> they have to be extremely careful because they don't know the impact. they don't know the total extent of the explosive material that's inside. they have gotten in and taken some pictures. at some point they're going to have to physically go in to that apartment and try to disable some of those explosive devices. that's when it's going to be very, very critical because they don't know that at any moment, any of those explosives can go off. plus there is some kind of a liquid and some bottles inside that apartment. they don't know what that liquid is. it could be gasoline. they have obviously evidence inside that apartment. they have to be careful. it's going to be a meticulous and sophisticated investigation when they go inside that apartment today, alison. >> first responders did arrive on the scene in the last 20 minutes. we have to believe that something is going to go on in the next hour or two as our show is still on the air. where does the investigation then go from
there, rod? >> obviously once they get inside that apartment and they start getting the evidence and they're going to start continuing to gather more evidence, interviewing more witnesses and things like that, they're going to have to obviously try putting together -- the case together, the criminal case because it is going to be presented before the court on monday morning. this is a lot more work involved in this case and it's going to take a lot of time before they can get to a final conclusion. >> there were hundreds of people -- this was a theater that was filled to capacity for the big premiere with all this fanfare. i know you wanted to share with us some pointers for what people are supposed to do if they are ever in an emergency situation. >> i'm glad you asked me that because i teach a course, how to prepare and how to respond to an active shooter situation. i teach this course every week. a couple of things. you always want to scatter. in a situation like that, if it's a movie theater, a ballpark, try to make a mental note of the exit when you're going inside these venues. just a mental note. if something happens,
remember to try to scatter the best you can. hide out if you have to. you might have to hide under a seat, behind a wall. hide out. you may even want to play dead. it sound like some people in this situation tried to play dead. and then get out if you can. once you get out continue to sadat ter. once you -- continue to scatter. once you get to a safe location, call and let the police know you have gotten out of that venue. >> god willing no one will have to use those tips. rod wheeler, thank you for your perspective this morning. >> up next, a mosque at the center of a controversy gets the go-ahead by a federal judge to open. we'll hear more on what's behind that battle. >> the country tries to understand what would make someone open fire and go on this mass shooting spree. what does the tragedy in colorado say about our culture, if anything? governor mike huckabee has ideas on that.
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>> a controversial mosque in tennessee is getting the go-ahead to open its doors in time for the islamic holy month of ramadan. you remember a battle over the mosque began when opponents say adequate notice of its construction was not given. a documentary, was began, a film about the mosque. this is brand-new. the judge in tennessee overturned a prior ruling to hold up construction and opening of the mosque. now they're allowed to pray in the mosque?
is that right? >> yeah. this is really bizarre. a judge at the county level ruled the islam imcenter in tennessee had to stop building their massive compound because they obtained their permits illegally. that was ruled. that was done. what happened was wednesday of this week at 3:30 there was an imagine court hearing at the federal level. it was a secret court hearing. and here's the bizarre part. you have two lawsuits filed simultaneously. one is to be expected. it was filed on behalf of the egyptian cleric representing the islamic center of murphysberg, tennessee. what happened was both lawsuits were heard the same day, ruled upon the same day and the outcome can be summarized as
follows: not to allow the islamic center of murphiesburg, tennessee, to violate our laws is a vital of their religious freedom. >> the federal government filed a lawsuit in the same court that upheld the opening of the mosque. was there any discussion? was there any opposing view? were the people of the community allowed to voice their opinion? >> the residents were circumvented. this is handled at the federal level in nashville, and the attorneys representing the concerned citizens were not informed, were not invited. it has all the appearances of a back room deal. it would appear that eric holder's department of justice's lobbying on behalf of islam. i mean, i don't know what else to come away with from this other than the obvious. >> pwhr bell, we have a -- mr. bell we have a statement from the judge "the mosque is built to accommodate the number of worships especially during the holy season of ramadan.
equal treatment of citizens under the law are also in the public interest." can you very quickly tell us about the size of the project and how many people actually are going to worship at that mosque. >> the highest estimates are 1,000 muslims. the islamic center that's being built is 53,000 square feet. they already have an existing facility that fits everybody for ramadan. certainly i don't oppose them celebrating ramadan or worshipping in peace. i don't think i know anybody who does. the issue here is special preferential treatment for muslims so that islam somehow trumps american law. and this is an alarming trend we're seeing across the country. >> thank you for joining us this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> coming up, aurora, colorado and the nation still reeling after a gunman opened fired in a movie theater killing 12 and injuring another 58. what does this tragedy say about our nation and its
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13 of those are at the university of colorado hospital. >> a spokesperson there jackie montgomery joins us on the phone with the latest. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> what is the very latest this morning? >> we have 13 patients still at the hospital. 23 arrived yesterday. five of those 13 are in critical. unfortunately one of our 23 is deceased. that person is included in the count of 12 that the police have been giving out. then the others are at various stages of recovery. hopefully we'll see some of them join those ten who are already out of the hospital. >> jackie, how do you and the hospital staff and the doctors prepare for the influx of patients that you saw in the critical hours? >> i've been thinking a lot about that. we prepare every month at the university of colorado hospital. we do drills. we do table top exercises.
in the moment that you realize no amount of preparation can prepare you for what hits that door, and that's when your skill and commitment and your real compassion comes through. doctors explained their day yesterday as chaotic. that's when they drilled this on taking care of patients and making sure those who needed the most care were getting it at the most critical times and addressing the others who had a few more minutes to spare and just get stabilized. >> jacque, a lot of the police and some of the medical personnel are being hailed as heroes. what was the check-in time the first victims came to your hospital? >> i don't have the check-in time but it was within minutes. we're pretty close, two or three miles, i think from the movie theater. while i don't think we're the closest hospital, because we're the university hospital, i think we were getting a lot of the critically injured.
>> a lot of people have their eyes on that number. 12 people have been killed in the shooting. are the people that are in your hospital yet out of the woods? and how much time is dedicated to helping those who survived this massacre, mentally helping them through what they're going through as well? >> first part of your question, they're in sensitive time so we have to do our best to make sure they get the care and support they need to, as i said, join the others who are able to not be at the hospital any longer. as far as the counseling support, that happens immediately not only for the patients but also for their families. but i think that's an ongoing care issue to keep your focus on because we don't know when the emotion -- what emotion might trigger somebody having a relapse back to the memories of that day. that ongoing care is something people need to
really monitor for themselves and for their loved ones and make sure they're getting the either grief counseling or mental health care or spiritual care, whatever they need to stay positive and find the right place to pus this incident -- to put this incident in their life. >> we won't know the full toll of this horrible massacre for weeks, months, years to come. jacque montgomery, thanks for taking time off your day to give us this update. we have other headlines. these are passengers on an american eagle flight headed for chicago's o'hare airport. they had to jump from this plane in this bizarre evacuation. bad weather in the area forced the plan to land in peoria, illinois. once it landed the plane filled with smoke. one passenger hurt their ankle jumping from the plane. no word on where that smoke came from. republican senator rand paul going to bat again for
the pakistani doctor behind bars after helping the u.s. find osama bin laden. paul vowing to hold a vote next week to cut off aid to pakistan if he does not get some immediate answers. he wants to know about the status of shakil afridi's case. an appeals hearing was scheduled for earlier this week but a report in a pakistan newspaper says the hearing has been delayed until august 30. >> an amazing story of survival after a rhode island fisherman was on his boat and swept overboard. he was out there alone and not wearing a life jacket. the 51-year-old forced to tread water for more than ten hours before being rescued by the coast guard. >> i spent four hours after i was in the water i saw the first set of searchlights come on and the helicopter. that bolstered my spirits. that said maybe i do have a chance. i had pretty good energy left after that. >> he was recovering from
hyperthermia and he can -- and exhaustion. he said the lesson learned from this, always wear a life jacket. >> we've had a lot of rain out here. they could use that in other parts of the country. >> not a big drought in the northeast and we have so much rain. how about dropping temperatures down? it was so brutally hot across much of the northeast and then this big rain came and dropped temps by 35 degrees. not much drought across the northeast but almost 75% of the country under some sort of a drought right now and basically you'll get this map with the darkened color, the worse the drought is. a lot of the country in at least severe drought. i think that will extend and probably strengthen or get worse as we move forward as over the next couple of months. the rain we have has been across parts of the
mid-atlantic and southeast. high pressure controlling across the central plains moving all the moisture over that reupbl of high pressure. -- that ridge of high pressure. significant rain across parts of the dakotas and minnesota. drought going on across four corners. i think we'll see improvement here because the monsoon has been pretty active. i think it will stay that way over the next couple of weeks. we'll get good rain. with that high pressure comes incredibly high temperatures. unfortunately we're going to be talking about temps that are extremely high for the next number of days. kansas city over the triple digit range for the next three days. denver 100. omaha over that triple digit range. dallas today 108. the heat baking parts of the planes in addition to being dry. that is causing part of the problem. >> we want to bring in governor huckabee.
governor, we can only imagine that as governor of a state, these are the moments that you dread. you pray will never happen. but then they do. how does a state start to recover? >> i think you marshal all the resources you can to that area where the tragedy has happened. when i was governor we had the jonesboro school shootings. there was first a lot of confusion as we saw in the aftermath of what happened in aurora. a fog of misinformation more than there is good information. and then there is a time of sort of focus on the victims. then there comes the rage. there's always a rage that follows, and people are angry and they want you to do something. frankly, what you have to do is to try to listen very carefully. but at some point you cannot fix people who are determined to do something that is monstrously evil. you can create laws. you can change the way you react to it. but you cannot always know when someone's going to snap. you can't always fix it. >> you talk about creating laws. on friday the president and mitt romney both said we're
not doing politics today, pulled their attack ads from the state of colorado. but others did not agree with that. mayor bloomberg went right after romney and obama saying they both have to step up and say what they're going to do about gun control. ed rendell, former governor of pennsylvania said failure to pass assault weapons ban was an act of crowdice. do there need to be changes made? is that an over reaction? weapons were purchased completely legally. >> it was an overreaction. it's not going to change the fact that people are violent. far greater likelihood people are going to be killed, murdered by some method other than a legal or illegal handgun. this is nonsense. i think it smacks of political opportunism. it is inappropriate in the midst of grief and sadness and really what we ought to be looking for is why did this person snap. how do you better prepare. this is not the time to
have the discussion. it's, frankly, i think insulting to the american public right now to try to politicize something as horrific as this. >> governor, it was said we can't allow people that are aberrations of nature to take away the freedoms we enjoy. >> well said. i think people have to remember -- people say they're afraid to go to the theater. don't be. we've had school shootings, people still go to school. we have had many shootings in churches. i'm not going to stop going to church because out of hundreds of thousands of churches in america you've had one or two or three ridiculous moments. you have thousands and thousands of theaters, ballparks, all kinds of places. we don't quit being americans. i think we focus on look what happened here. the reason that it is such a big story is because it is an aberration. when this becomes normal we won't be talking about it 24/7. the bigger story for me is when we say what does this
say about us? it says when something like this happens, the whole nation comes together. candidates who were at each other's throats back off and quit even campaigning for awhile and show a level of civility. you have people that haven't prayed in months who have been praying the last 24 hours. you have people who are pouring out their hearts, sympathies and their concerns. when you say what does this say about our culture? i think it says we're not that bad a culture after all. one person did something horrible. millions of americans are doing something very positive in the midst of it. i'd rather think about the good people who are responding rather than the one monster who did something awful. >> it is always striking to hear the stories of heroism and how people put aside their own safety to try to save others. and there are certainly plenty of those stories. we want to talk more about the culture. people are saying that violent video games, violent movies. we will talk about that after the break.
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>> we're back with governor huckabee talking about the tragedy that happened. obviously this was the work and the action of one unhinged terribly troubled person. however, there are people talking today about our violent culture, the violent video games, the violent movies. is any of that pafr this toxic stew that creates what happened. >> violent crime is down in america. we have fewer murders than we did 20 years ago. we have this sense when something like this happens it's on a mass scale and it shocks us and we tend to
think it's happening all the time. the fact that we have cable news and talk radio that give such absolute 100% full-time attention to this makes it seem so much worse when the reality is there is far less of a likelihood that you will be murdered now than you would have been murdered 20 years ago. >> for those that haven't listened to the governor on the radio, you should. it's a wonderful show. you have chosen not to talk about the shooter. >> that's right. >> why? >> i think we should not mention this guy's name. i will not mention his name on radio or television. i'm not going to put his face up on my show. i don't want to make this guy into a celebrity. the focus needs to be on the fact that he was the murderer. let's not give him the benefit of elevating him to celebrity status and making someone else who is a nobody and a loser and a loner say if i do something crazy everybody will know my name. when you're twisted enough to kill people, you're twisted enough to want to be famous for something
evil. >> i agree with you. i want to start a two-person ground swell about this. we know they want notoriety. i think calling them the shooter works. saying their name is on some sick depraved level is what they were hoping for. as journalists we say their names. >> as a service to our viewers. >> what benefit do the viewers have to know this guy's name? what benefit? i disagree -- >> people might not know who he was hear his name and go i went to high school with this guy. you know what he did in college and -- this opens the door so maybe we can stop this in the future. >> everyone who knows this guy, they're going to know he is the guy, and they can talk about it. this isn't going to be a secret. the point is when it gets elevated 24/7 on every regular network and cable network and every radio station and every newspaper, i don't want this guy picking up a
newspaper, listening to radio, watching television and seeing his name and face and saying i'm a somebody now. that's what my feeling is. the people who need to know, they know. >> what about on your program this evening? >> i will not mention his name. >> 8:00 eastern time. don't miss huckabee. >> a decade after the 9/11 attack, would-be terrorists can still board planes and train to become pilots in the u.s. coming up next, dangerous loopholes in the system. [ donovan ] i hit a wall. and i thought "i can't do this, it's just too hard." then there was a moment. when i decided to find a way to keep going.
>> we have a news alert. we have breaking news. these are live pictures from aurora, colorado. the bomb squad and fire fighters have arrived at the scene. they are back at the apartment of the suspect in this movie theater massacre. police say the suspect's apartment is booby-trapped with skpwhroe seives and -- with explosives and chemical devices everywhere. the police chief says he's never seen anything like the scene inside this apartment building. we will stay on top of this breaking story and let you know as soon as the police tell us what they've found. >> after a decade of -- over a decade after the biggest terror attack in history, lawmakers say the t.s.a. isn't doing enough to secure u.s. flight schools. a new report by the government accountability office. republican congressmen claim foreign students at
schools aren't being vetted properly. the chairman of the transportation subcommittee panel, congressman thanks for skwroeupg us. -- thanks for joining us. there are flight schools that train foreign students without vetting whether they are on a no-fly zone -- the no-fly list. is that true? >> there's two different things. first of all, the report was focused on making sure students that were here illegally, foreign nationals here were vetted so they couldn't receive flight training. what we're hearing, a shocking revelation, is that if you are in this country illegally but you're on the no-fly list, you can still get lessons. >> how did this happen? how did this fly upped the radar, so -- fly under the radar, so to speak? >> the t.s.a. is bloated,
more concerned about trying to manage this monstrous size organization they've got than being focused on the threat. there is no excuse. we were stunned when we saw the g.s.a. report showing this is happening. the number is classified but it has been happening on a regular basis for years. the t.s.a. abg anonomouslied these short -- acknowledged these shortcomings in the hearings, under oath. what was more disturbing is the very next day, vary napolitano testifying before the judiciary committee was asked about this and she denied it and said it is not a problem. it's already been taken care of. either she's in denial or she doesn't know. >> let's stop right there. she was asked about it and she said it's already been taken care of. yet you find it has not been taken care of? is that accurate? >> that is my point. the news has gotten more disturbing since wednesday's hearing. in the judiciary committee hearing one of the members of the homeland security
committee who was in our hearing raised this issue with letter because t.s.a. comes under her jurisdiction. she said the t.s.a. official was in error. this is a t.s.a. official who testified before us was the head of the aviation department. he has full responsibility for certifying airports and vetting potential students. he acknowledged it was not up to speed and they're trying to correct it. either she didn't know or she doesn't trust her own t.s.a. officials. >> is there concern to you that the head of homeland security is unaware of what's going on with these flight schools and t.s.a. is allowing foreign nationals who may be on a no-fly list to learn how to fly? >> it's not just concerning. it's upsetting and unacceptable. one of the things i've emphasized in the hearing is this is basic blocking and tackling. we knew two of the terrorists in 9/11 took flight lessons. they weren't interested in getting a license. they weren't interested in learning how to land.
all they wanted to know was take off and fly the plane. one of the things secretary napolitano said was once they get their license they're regularly vetted against the no-fly list. if you're a terrorist in this country and you're not interested in getting a license. you won't apply. >> i want to follow up on janet napolitano's statement. "t.s.a. is reviewing whether the current statute should be amended but must review the specifics in the bill at the secretary's direction, t.s.a. is giving consideration to amend these regulations." congressman mike rogers from alabama, thank you. >> the nation still reeling after a gunman opened fire in a movie theater killing 12 and injuring 58. many know turning to prayer to cope with this tragedy. we'll talk more with father we'll talk more with father john morris still ahead. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics...
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>> good morning, everyone, we'll let now what happens this hour. and as theaters across the country remain on high alert, overnight a man was arrested for threats and disorderly conduct at a "dark knight rises" screening in arizona. >> clayton: amid the senseless tragedy, we're hearing from the the victims and the aurora community rocked by the tragedy and now relying on
their faith. "fox & friends" hour four starts right now. >> good morning, again, everyone, thanks for joining us, there's so much information that continues to come in overnight, as well as that developing story that's happening. and eric biology is in for clayton morris. >> good to be here. >> dave: we'll begin with the pictures, fox news alert as we're looking at the apartment of the suspect in the colorado shooting rampage and investigators returning moments ago to the the booby-trapped apartment and weeshl that explosives have booby-trapped the apartment. >> good mornings, guys, we have the screws at the apartment to get an idea what motivated the attack, 3.8 miles away of this movie theater. the apartment should contain a lot of evidence, a lot of clues about the motivation of this attacker, and attacker,
but as you mentioned, it is protected by this network of booby traps, police got a camera inside there and looking at the network, and they're looking at federal bomb experts to devise a plan to get in there without an explosion. >> it's a vexing problem how to enter that apartment safely. i've personally never seen anything like what the the pictures show us is in there. i see an awful lot the of wires, trip wires, jars full of ammunition, jars full of liquid, some things that look like mortar rounds. we have a lot of challenges to get in there safely. >> now, the suspect's father, james holmes, arrived in denver yesterday from california. the family released this statement that their hearts go out to the victims and family and so far we know of no warnings that james holmes would have done something like this. he was an honor student. he played soccer, he excelled
at science. the only possible warnings, he was a quiet guy, he didn't really get along with people and people who knew him say he spent a lot of time playing fantasy or role playing games on the computer, but we don't have a clue about what set him off to the point where two months ago he started stockpiling weapons and started devising a plan that he ultimately executed a day and a night ago. guys, back to you. >> alisyn: all right. mike, please keep us posted what develops there at the scene of his apartment complex. who knows if he booby-trapped it to avoid police getting more evidence or to kill more people in the apartment complex, we don't know if there's a note. we'll keep you posted on developments. >> dave: as we discussed moments ago, many are leading the charge not to discuss the particular shooter, not glorify him in any way, but we do want to keep the focus on this morning are the victims. and the family of one young lady, jessica, who was killed in the shooting. they want you to continue talking about the victims.
this this morning is the cover of the denver post, the young ladies i was referring to, her family says don't talk about the the shooter, please remember the victims like our daughter, a young sports caster recently survived the toronto mall shooting. very active on social networking, very committed to it and they even want you to tweet about her this morning. they actually want in her honor trending hash tag ripjessica on twitter. >> alisyn: i find her story particularly haunting. you said she survived the toronto mall shooting and she blogged about it. she was in the toronto mall in june when there was a mass shooting, similar to the one that happened on thursday night. she said that she got a queasy feeling, she suddenly needed air, she walked outside and two minutes later the blood bath started. what haunts me is that she blogged saying she couldn't shake that feeling. she still had an unsettled feeling even after that and then she was at the scene of this horrible crime and lost
her life. >> take a look at the cover of the denver newspaper again, this is thomas sullivan, it's a picture we saw yesterday, they put it on their cover, our hearts are broken, thomas sullivan is in the the middle right there. he was looking for his son alex and turns out alex had been one of the people killed in the massacre, a day and a night ago, as mike tobin points out. i've read it a couple of times, one of the saddest things i've heard. alex tweeted, it was his birthday, he was going to see the movie for his birthday, he said one hour till the movie and it's going to be the best birthday ever. really shall the victim's stories are the things we should be focusing on. >> dave: if i could mention a few others, one confirmed u.s. navy sailor not accounted for and the pentagon does believe at this point that sailor has been killed and others, a woman returned from missionary work from haiti, one six-year-old.
and a medic, 23 years old and mast mcquinn, from st. pairs, ohio and we're starting to learn. you may have heard there was a three month old and four month old in the very theater, they are both alive this morning and doing okay. >> alisyn: and if i'm not mistaken there were several members of the military. >> two airmen as well as another u.s. navy sailor. >> alisyn: we have other news to tell you about, let's get your headlines. hours after the the midnight movie massacre in colorado there was a brief scare at a movie theater in arizona, several people seeing the "dark knight rises" at sierra vista says a man was acting strangely, carrying a backpack and appeared to be intoxicated. one person tried to confront him and then panic ensued, about 50 people fled the theater. off duty border patrol agents tackled him and he's charged with disorderly conduct. after a week, a search for two missing cousins in an iowa lake turns up nothing and
police now classifying the case as an abduction. they vanished while riding their bikes near the lake and reclassification comes as a judge ordered officers to make sure that their father makes it to court, his court hearing on two separate drug cases, he and his wife spent time in prison drug charges and decide today stop cooperating with police, according to police, about their missing daughter kate. home grown terrorists plotting to blow up the pentagon and buildings. and massachusetts native was helping build remote controlled planes that could be fitted with explosivs. he was arrested last year when federal agents posing as al-qaeda members delivered explosives to him. and he's expected to get 17 to 35 years in prison when he's sentenced in november. and those are your headlines at this hour. >> dave: all right. so much more coming up, first, on the legal side of the massacre in colorado, if the
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next step. monday he's going to be in a courtroom, does he have to speak? >> 8:30 monday morning arapahoe county, there will be an arraignment and presentation of charges. he will have an attorney. he's not cooperating although we're given to understand that he too cooperate that he said that his apartment was booby trapped. and then in charges, there will be a grand jury. i anticipate that felony murder charges, capital murder charges will be brought and they will be seeking the death penalty based upon aggravating circumstances, the fact that there are multiple deaths and the fact that it will be charged that this is a cruel and heinous crime. i also anticipate that he will be entering a -- at some point, a not guilty plea by reason of insanity. and then, under colorado law, and it's different than many, many states in the united states, the burden will be on the prosecution at that point
to say that he is sane. >> now, let me stop you there. explain what that means. in most states it's the burden on the defense to prove that someone is insane. >> in many states it's the burden on the defense, he has to put forward evidence and it's their burden to prove before a jury that a defendant is insane and therefore, not responsible for his acts, but in colorado, the burden will be on the prosecution to prove his sanity. >> and that seems very tough. >> it is. >> because when someone goes on a murderous rampage, doesn't that by definition suggest that they have mental issues? >> well, there are different insanity tests all across the country. in colorado it's called the mcnaughton rule, with the irresistible impulse test. and that's a very fancy way of saying, yes, he can appear to act in rational cogent ways,
in fact, in that crime, there will ab examination, a court ordered examination, a court ordered psychiatrist saying can he cooperate in his own defense, does he know what is going on at this point? >> as we speak, the fire trucks, surrounded his apartment if that apartment blows up, there goes a lot of evidence? >> well, i think the evidence is clear. i think the evidence, in my opinion, they captured him outside the theater, and i think there will be a hundred witnesses or a hundred less a dozen who will be able to identify him as the shooter. that's my surmise in this case. i hope that if he has an attorney, that they worked out some agreement with that attorney at this point to cooperate in helping the police open up and say what exactly is in that apartment because we do not need police
officers or firefighters to lose their lives and we don't need property damage. unfortunately, appears that the carnage continues, even on saturday morning. >> alisyn: peter johnson, jr., thank you so much for your expertise. coming up. if you built it, can you thank the government and president obama, taking his comments about small business, was it a gaffe or was it his ideology? we'll talk to karl rove about that next. and then dr. michael bodden takes a closer look at the colorado rampage, including clues that investigators will be looking at after this. ♪
live pictures coming in from aurora, and investigators are coming from the booby trapped apartment from the suspected gunman gunman. there are wires, jars of ammunition, jars of liquid from holmes' home from aurora, we've got a ph.d. student in neuro science, there may be something chemical weapons related in this apartment. >> eric: the political flap over small business and whether government deserves the credit or small business owners. >> alisyn: here to weigh in. >> if you're successful, somebody along the line gave you some help, somebody helped to create this unbelievable american system that we have that allows you to thrive. somebody investigated in roads and bridges if you've got a business and you didn't build that. somebody else made that
happen. >> alisyn: all right. now, here to weigh in is fox news channel's political contributor and former senior advisor to george w. bush karl rove. karl, it's nice to see you this morning. >> dave: good morning, karl. >> alisyn: we're attempting to private briefly away from the tragedy in colorado. i know you have the white board there that you've brought. >> message, message for biology, message for biology. >> respect the board. i've got you, my board is bigger than yours and i think in boards, size matters, i heard. >> alisyn: oh, boy. >> you keep using the board and i'm going to start going without a tie, my friend. encroaching on the eric bolling open shirt thing, man. >> eric: gotcha. >> alisyn: karl, no one wants to see that. in any event, karl, just kidding. >> speaks for yourself. >> alisyn: both the candidates, president obama and mitt romney suspended their campaigns in light of
the aftermath of this horrible massacre. is it time this weekend for them to get campaigning? >> give it a couple more days, i thought it was a good move on both parts. i thought both statements yesterday were quite moving and this is a terrible moment for our country and we get a glimpse in the way that people respond to it of how they would act in office, if they were given this responsibility or see how they are acting in the case of president obama, having been given this responsibility. >> dave: the president was set to fight back against mitt romney's comments regarding this, what some are calling a gaffe, the heart of which the president saying, you didn't build that, suggesting that the government somewhere along the lines was responsible for your success or at least integral in that success. some are calling it a gaffe. what do you say this reveals about the president? or was it just a mistake?
>> look, yes, it is a mistake and yes, it does reveal what the president thinks. look, this is not the first so-called gaffe we've had. remember a couple of weeks ago we had the president when he was not on a teleprompter saying that the private sector's doing fine, what i'm worried about are the government workers. and this again, a speech given in roanoke, virginia, last friday, a week ago friday, the president working without a teleprompter said if you've got a business, you didn't build that, somebody else made that happen and look, i think that's a revealing insight into who he is and what he thinks and also, i think it is a mistake. i think what's happened is they've got this president, he's done a hundred fundraisers in six months, out on the campaign trail since last fall, but this is -- he's had had more fundraisers in the last six months than his predecessor had in 16 months. and the entire 2003-2004 campaign. i think this guy's exhausted and all the defenses that would keep him from saying something like this, that
would cause him to say well, i better not say that because while i believing i believe that, it's going to get myself in trouble. i think those defenses are gone and he and his people are exhausted which is why we're seeing the real people popping out. the private sec store is doing fine and he's worried about the public employees, and if you have a business, somebody build that. and they're going to make them mad, i know that personally, i've had a few call. >> dave: karl, let's use a football analogy, president obama had a ball, gaining yardage with mitt romney, mitt romney's service at bain capital whether or not he wanted boos at the naacp then president obama made this comment. didn't mitt romney get the ball back and marching on the economy? >> let's be clear about this. when the bain attack started may 15th, the gallup was
45-45. last week 47-45, essentially unchanged and cbs new york times had actually romney in front 47-46 so we've had three months of this going on and it's not really changed the dynamic of the race, but you're right, in terms of the media and who they say, you know, in their process coverage, who's got the ball and who's running with it, romney had it for some good period of time. obama for a couple of weeks and now appears it's back in the hand of romney. it's tuesday, wednesday, thursday, went out each morning and drew attention to the statement by president obama or his people and one of which is this, if you've got a business, you didn't build it. on thursday, drew attention to jay carney's remark, the president's press secretary saying the reason the president met with the jobs council, he had more important things to do for six months. so, romney is on the offense and it makes people look and feel better about it. but let's be clear, this race has been stuck and it's been stuck for three months and
it's likely to remain stuck it will until the ball, when independent voters finally say i have to make a decision. >> alisyn: all right, karl. >> dave: respect the board i wrote that, from carl to you. >> i'm not sure if you can see it, but dave's board is clearly the smallest of all three of us. >> dave: can't argue with that. >> eric, this fascination you have with size is disturbing, we've got to get you some help. >> alisyn: karl. >> no mas. >> alisyn: all right, thanks, karl. >> dave: up next, dr. michael bodden takes a closer look at the midnight movie massacre including clues the alleged shooter may have left behind. stay with us. ♪ ♪ proud to and on our own ♪ proud to be homegrown
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>> fox news alert. now. 7:30 a.m. in aurora, colorado, live pictures out of auroaurora where they're attempting to enter the shooter's booby trapped apartment. they say there's ammunition and licked aquid all over the apartment. the police chief says he's never seen anything like it. more straight ahead.
>> i guess i jumped that. as police continue to investigate crime scenes, what will they be searching for and what the suspect may have left behind. here to break it all down. >> alisyn: forensic pathologist, dr. michael bodden. as you saw the live shots outside of his booby trapped apartment. what can that reveal? >> it's going to reveal a lot of ammunition, a lot of wiring different places and one of the things that will be correlated with the autopsies and removal of bullets from the decedents is to make sure all of those bullets came from holmes' gun. if supposing one bullet came from a different gun then now there's a second shooter. these things have happened sometime with the confusion, a second shooter can just melt into the fleeing people. so they're going to be doing that and looking at the different chemicals that are
in his apartment. they'll also be looking at him for chemicals. one of the things the police are doing are getting blood and urine, seeing if he's high on drugs, whether he has psychiatric drugs prescribed for him and if down the line for him, had he been prescribed psychiatric drugs he wasn't taking which can add to his mental problems. >> dave: we understand associates or friends, some sources say that he was taking vicodin. i don't know what that has to do with what went down, the shooting, the crime scene, talk about how delicate that is, and given the fact there are explosives all over the apartment and clues as to what may have gone into the thinking of james. >> and most importantly, if he has any computers there or cell phones which have a great deal of information. as far as the material at the
scene, as peter johnson had said, there were so many people that saw what he did, it's not necessary to identify that he's the perpetrator, but they don't want to destroy the place and destroy any real evidence that might be there with computers, whom he may have had contact with and make sure that their initial impression that he's a lone wolf and really that's a lone wolf. >> eric: doc, the way he did booby trap the apartment if he did in fact booby trap the apartment, does that tell you anything about the man's mind. >> yes, it tells he's been doing it for a long time. that he knew a great deal. it kind of goes against the psychiatric defense. he knew what he was doing. the he had a complex thing to gather and put together. he was very smart and he knew it was wrong from all the different ways he proceeded. so, from a psychiatric point of view, as discussion before,
he was conscious of what he was doing. whether or not he was slipping slowly into a really bad mental status, like he appears to be, he's okay until at the gets to aurora, doesn't fit in. drops out of his prestigious ph.d. program and that the issue may be by the time he gets to trial from now, a year from now, two years from now, has it gotten so much worse he can't participate in his defense. as of now, all of the material got together, shows he was conscious, aware and knew what he was doing and knew what was right and wrong. >> alisyn: dr. baden, you're a crime scene expert and you believe that theaters like this are ripe for disaster. >> one thing that's happened is the vulnerability of theaters has been made apparent to all, to copycats,
people going to commit suicide anyway. and like it developed with hijacking, with hijackings, where you need to have more security to prevent anybody else from possibly doing harm. and that's important, not only to the people with guns, but people with gases, poisonen, like sarin. all of these gases work only in close settings, subways and now, in the theaters. one of the things that they'll be doing with the coroner is testing their lungs to see if there's any gas indicated that he was inhaling and can this kind of gas be used to harm other people. so there's going to be a the lot more security, a lot more expensive theater tickets, to pay for that security. >> dave: they difficult for small businesses that are already struggling with all the competition. netflix and things of that sort. and it's difficult to secure,
like subways, very difficult. >> and that's what -- they may benefit because rather than seeing these things at home than go to a theater and the problem with the business the at the theater, everybody is put on notice fa nut comes in and harms other people, they will be legally, could be legally responsible for money. this shows that they're responsible for the fact that my son got shot because you didn't have enough security. >> dave: and we've got to go. >> eric: can you quickly tell us when that tear gas explodes or tear gas explodes. set the scene for us, complete, no vision whatsoever? >> yeah, what happens in this thing, it was like a flash bang that police use. it goes in, the flash of the fire disturbs the eyes and the gases that come up prevent the person from breathing and for a few instances, for five, ten seconds, the person is totally confused they can't see what's going on and remember, it's dark to begin with and they're
totally confused as far as the victims go. >> alisyn: scary, terrifying stuff. thank you, we appreciate it. now, other headlines making news right now. let' take a look at this, because passengers on an american eagle flight headed for chicago's o'hare airport were forced to jump from the plain in evaluation. and bad weather forced it to land in peoria, illinois, it filled with smoke, one person hurt their ankle jumping from the plane. no word where that smoke came from. and in the united states, republican senator rand paul taking a strong stand to help a pakistani doctor behind bars after helping to locate osama bin laden. and paul vowing to hold a vote and cut off aid. the ace cascheduled for earlier
this week, he's in jail and reported to a pakistani newspaper, the hearing was delayed to august 30th. imagine being a new parent and given the wrong baby. and that's exactly what one mother says happened to her. and she was getting ready to feed her newborn for the first time when a nurse at the hospital gave her the wrong child tochlt make matters worse it tax 30 minutes to bring sanford her real daughter and the real mom is worried about what happened to her baby during this time. >> anything could have happened and i don't want somewhere down the line in the future something popping up with my child. >> alisyn: the hospital says sanford's baby was in the nursery the whole time and they will continue to investigate this incident. those are your headlines. >> dave: let's get to our chief meteorologist rick reich mous muth, who has a check of the rain. >> extremely hot conditions continue, heat advisories anywhere you see the yellow,
in the red, excessive heat warnings. it's going to feel like 110 degrees across the central part of the country along the missouri river. down to the south we also have the heat advisories, texas, louisiana and the center stripe of the country. take a look at what the temperatures are going look like for the next three days. we've got days filled with triple digit temperatures. unfortunately a very long stretch and another heatwave and hard to call it a single heatwave, because it's been going on so much of the summer so far. unfortunately, the heat continues and take a look at the drought along the central part of the country and it is extended to the east and west of that. and we need in the west, because of the monsoonal rain. and the mississippi valley, not much relief unfortunately. a few showers that happened this week across indiana, we'll take it, but we could use a lot more of that. we will have showers down across the central part of the south for the day today. and in towards the far northern plains, that's where the rain continues to go and
moves above that area of high pressure. we'll see more showers, especially across arizona and utah. all right, guys, back to you. >> sure. >> coming up, the community of aurora, colorado picking up the pieces or trying to after the horrible massacre in the the movie theater. what can we say to those impacted by this tragedy? we'll ask father john next. >> the latest on the movie theater massacre live from aurora, as we continue. stick around. think you can't get great auto insurance coverage
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carry on and find some explanation for all of this. >> alisyn: joining us now is fox news contributor, father jonathan morris. it's nice to have you with us this morning. where do we begin to try to move forward and make sense of this? >> i remember the very first time i had to confront grief i was 13 years old and my grandmother had died and we were going to see my grandfather the next morning and i was nervous as a teenager what to say to grandpa and i remember my dad said something very simple. he said it doesn't matter what you say, as long as you say something. and that, i think was in the end there are no explanations in this moment, theological explanation, that, yes, they matter, but not right now, not for the families of the victims. we have to be there to pray with them, to hug them, to be there, to say something.
and i think, i think our actions right now, are part of god's plan for being there to console these grieving people. >> eric: father, what's your experience? they say there's no atheists, you see in tragedies, turn to god, turn to the bible, turn to you, do they stay though? do you have them for life there from then forward? >> you know, i don't completely agree with that statement. there are people who in the midst of tragedy simply can't believe and we have to respect that as well, but i'm sure that the churches in aurora will be filled tomorrow, on sunday morning in the midst of the tragedy, people en masse will be looking for god. will be looking for answers, will be looking for consolation and that's very good news. >> dave: speak being to rick reichmuth about this a few minutes ago and i remember very clearly, a similar shooting way back in 1984 at
an mcdonald's in california. these have been going on long before scenes like columbine. instead of looking at this as a way that our society is breaking down and everything is going wrong, it's not necessarily that, it's just that we're so immersed in cable news, like ours selves and twitter and facebook. do you feel there's a rush to say society has broken down entirely, especially in this country? >> you know, rick is a wise man, as you are, dave, and i think you're right that we can't say, you know, therefore that society is on a spiral downhill, maybe it is, but this is not proof of that. what we had here is somebody who was on the edge. somebody who has been disenfranchised, disconnected, full of anger. and there are more people like that, but that does not indicate that therefore, society is a disaster. it might feel like that right now, but let me tell you that in the midst of all of this
that's going on that we're so immersed in, we also have great opportunity to say that we never had before to reach out and communicate. i just took my phone about five minutes ago and sent out a tweet and post it had on facebook, what are your words, people, to the family of the victims and dozens and dozens of people i saying, i want to say this to them. i want to say this is new technology, new opportunity to be close, to be present, to console, and thank god for that, too. >> alisyn: father, we had governor huckabee on a little while ago, he said when he confronted a similar shooting rampage when he was governor, what happens the next step is the rage, that people are angry, and we heard from the father of the six-year-old girl who was killed, he wanted revenge. what do you tell people who feel angry this morning? >> you know, first of all, it's a completely human, understandable emotion. and there are different stages, there's the disbelief
that there's the shock, there's the anger, there's the deep sadness and the way in which we confront that is society comes together, at the lowest possible level, beginning with families, and then beginning with civic organizations and churches, and then all of us individually, just saying, we're going to be there for you as you walk through these stages. that's why we have a great opportunity, we are the hands and feet of christ, i believe, right now for these victims in order to get them through those stages. >> eric: father jonathan morris, thank you very much, sir. >> all right, guys. >> dave: all right. now, investigators are back at the accused shooter's booby trapped apartment there. and the details on that breaking scene, booby trapped apartment, explosives all over. we'll be back in a minute.
>> news alert for you right now. we're following this developing and delicate situation there in aurora, colorado. you can see that first responders and firefighters are on the scene. investigators are at the apartment. the booby trapped apartment of the suspect in that midnight movie massacre. they're trying to get inside. mike tobin is live in aurora with the latest. what have you got? >> reporter: well, of course, a development that we're watching right now, because whatever happens in that apartment. whatever we find in that apartment could very well give us some clues as to why this deadly attack was carried out just 3.8 miles away. so, let's go to live pictures
in that apartment. the whether the bomb squad and firefighters are moved into the apartment today will be determined by the bomb squad. and we had they've got sensor equipment to sniff the gases inside the apartment. and that could give a clue as to what are the liquid scene in the apartment. the chief has described it as a vexing problem. they got in, and saw what the chief described as mortar round, incendiary devices or fire bombs and powder on the ground and it's interconnected with the trip wires so they want to get inside, they want to find the evidence, but they don't want to risk personnel, they don't want to destroy the evidence, alisyn. >> alisyn: and mike, we understood yesterday they were going to send in a robot first, obviously, rather than risk personnel and more human lives. any update on that? >> well, that's going to be determined by the bomb squad. if they go with the robots and use the robot to do the controlled explosion and don't
know what that liquid is, they could very well cause a fire that would destroy all the evidence that harms their case ultimately against the shooter. >> alisyn: mike, where do they begin here? we know that they period in the windows and that's where they saw what they described as string contraptions all over the floor and those coke bottles filled with an unidentified liquid. what do they do now? >> it tough for me to say? i'd have to be inside the meetings they're having with the federal bomb experts they have brought in. they're going to look at the video they've got, they're going to take the information from the gas sensing equipment and determine what they have. how it's interconnected and come up with a plan for how they want to proceed. >> alisyn: my goodness, it seems like such a potentially deadly puzzle. also, mike, can you tell us anything about the buildings there that were evacuated? >> reporter: well, the buildings that were evacuated, there were five buildings total that were evacuated. the only one that people have not been allowed to be -- go
back into at all was the apartment building of the shooter in this case. the other four surrounding apartments buildings, individuals have been allowed to go back in with police and they've been seen coming out with a garbage bags filled with emergency supplies, able to go in and get things like baby food, medicine, some things they need, in and out really quick and they're keeping the area, five apartment buildings and the adjacent real estate empty right now in the event that something bad happens when they're sniffing around the apartment building or ultimately when they send the bomb squads in there. >> alisyn: then, how nerve wracking, you can imagine, to try to grab your belongings as quickly as possible. one story that was haunting this morning that came out is that this suspect's neighbor, a young woman, the night that this happened heard very loud, very disturbing techno music that wouldn't stop and seemed to be on a loop, and she is the person who went to his apartment trying to get him to
turn down the music and saw the door a little bit ajar and period in, wasn't able to peer in, decided not to go in. that probably saved her life. >> reporter: yeah, that's interesting. it appears that that music was set on a timer and it could have very well been meant to create a distraction from here, you have an explosion about the same time the attack is carried out here, it could be meant to come up with an alibi someone hearing music coming from the apartment. the time the attacks were taking place here, there are a the lot of unanswered questions with a whole mess out here, alisyn. >> alisyn: mike tobin, thanks so much for the update from the developing story, we appreciate it and know you'll be standing by all day. we have more "fox & friends" in just two minutes. blink of . ♪ faster than a flash of lightning. and it was the difference between michael phelps winning eight gold medals... instead ofeven. a hundredth of a second... just think of the cheers if lightning strikes twice.
all the cars next to the apartment complex, preparing for a breach. >> we will see what happens at the apartment and bring you the latest toll morning. thanks for joining us, eric, i'll see you back here tomorrow. >> see you in the morning. >> news finds the job market is still struggling. now, new calls from the the white house, pushing to keep billion for science and math teachers. this on top of the $2.7 trillion the government has september -- sent this year. will more stimulus stimulate the economy or sink the job market even more. hi, everyone. i'm brenda but neither. this is bulls and bears. here they are the bulls and bears this week. thank you all and welcome to everybody. larry, does the economy need more stimulus to get jobs
back? >> brenda, when will we learn our lesson? despite countless efforts for the government to stimulate the economy we have seen little in the way of results. it is littered with failed government expenditures, and it is sinking us further and further into debt. we have sill linda, $5 million that could have been spent on math and science initiatives. we have wasteful spending. this is not solving the problem. even venture capitalists know they have a low success rate of the they were doomed from the start. >> it hasn't just been spending on greenish tiffs so >> brenda: it hasn't just been spending on green initiatives so far, there's been much shall much spending on quote, unquote, stimulating the economy infrastructure, jobs. has it been successful? and will this one be? >> well, first of all, there's been 28 straight months of private sector job growth and where you've seen job shrinkage is in the